Undivided Nation Podcast
April 24, 2019

The Great Exchange

It is with great excitement that we introduce our friend, Mechelle Brown, Program Coordinator at the Greenwood Cultural Center in Tulsa, OK.

We entered into Mechelle’s office on the first week of our 50-state journey, believing that race in America was, for the most part, a problem of the past. During our time with Mechelle, we experienced a deep heart transformation that we are excited to talk about on this episode, as we walk back through that conversation with Mechelle, and allow her to share the story that changed our lives.

During our chat, Mechelle also fills our listeners in on the efforts underway to preserve the story of Tulsa’s Greenwood district, once known as Black Wall Street, the wealthiest black-owned business district in the country until it was burned to the ground by Tulsa’s white community in the summer of 1921. We discuss the details of what happened that fateful day, as well as what Mechelle sees as the pathway to racial healing and transformation for the city.

This encounter is a deep well of heart-felt exchange, as she gives us her story and we give her our genuine longing to understand.

Please let us know how this episode impacts you. We are excited to hear if this episode encourages you on your own journey of asking “why”. If you like what you hear, please take a moment to subscribe to our podcast, and thank you for listening!

April 24, 2019

Tough Love in Tulsa

Chatting with our mentor and friend, Michelle Place. As Director or the Tulsa Historical Society, Michelle Place serves as a convergence point for the city. She works to illuminate the fullness of Tulsa’s vibrant history, including its darker, racist past, which many Tulsans, both black and white, have sought to forget.

Michelle was the first person we met on our 50-state journey. Her unique role as a preservationist of stories, including that of Tulsa’s Black Wall Street and the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre, has allowed her to bring these stories to light for many, including us.

Michelle shares how her unconventional southern upbringing shaped her to do the work she is doing today, and fills in our listeners on some of the lesser-known impacts of policies like integration. We discuss Michelle’s “tough love” as we recap with her our introduction to phrases like “the winners write the history” and “white privilege”.

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April 24, 2019

Introducing: Hello My Name is America

The right question posed at the right time has the power to totally rearrange one’s life. At least this was the case for us. Join us on episode number one, as we retell the story of the day a single question did just that, and served as the catalyst for what would become a journey for our family to live in all 50 states over the course of one year, learning about the root causes of division and searching for the keys that could help us heal America’s deep divides.

  • David shares about his background in politics, working as a republican political operative until he came to the realization that his work was driving a wedge between communities and families by stirring up fear and hate through his campaigning efforts.
  • Erin and David share about the day they met their oldest daughter, Grace, and how their experience as parents to a child with special needs incited their hunger to look for a new lens through which to view the world. They share how it was Grace who awakened them, and inspired them to embark on this learning journey.
  • Erin recounts the day she posed a question to David that changed the course of their lives, and then proceeds to walk listeners through the painful process of walking away from the American dream she and David had built, in exchange for a radically new one, living on an RV and investing in a dream to understand the root causes of division in America with the desire to then uncover the solutions we need to heal our divisions.
  • The couple closes with a summary of what listeners can expect in the coming episodes, highlighting many of the themes and topics that will be discussed as they introduce guests on the show from all over the country, representing a vast array of backgrounds, religions, races, political leanings and lived experiences. Through this podcast, they couple shares their dream to provide a space to cultivate a common memory between those they are hosting on the show each week, and their listeners.